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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 23:38:44 PST
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Info-Hams Digest            Mon, 31 Jan 94       Volume 94 : Issue   97

Today's Topics:
            Contacts for arranging formal sked with SAREX?
                         CW filters and DSP-9
                            FCC form 610-V
                          FTP site for Keps
                     LAMARSfest is March 27th!!!!
               Name of Ham store in VA wanted! (2 msgs)
               Online Repeater Database Helper Program
                    Quake Alert via Amateur Radio
                           SuperMorse 4.xx
           Voice of America News Now Available on Internet
                 Your experiences on 40 meter CW QRP

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Date: 29 Jan 94 21:43:18 GMT
From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!BIX.com![e-mail]
Subject: Contacts for arranging formal sked with SAREX?
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Robert Camama) writes:


>As the header reads, is there any way I can contact the SAREX (Shuttle
>Amateur Radio eXperiment) coordinator or anyone else in a significant position
>within the SAREX program?  I am with the UT Amateur Radio Club, and we
>need to arrange a formal communications schedule [if possible] between
>ourselves and the astronaut-hams aboard two of the SAREX carrying missions
>set for this year (one for April [which we are hoping for the most], one for
>November).

>FYI:  we are hoping to do this partly out of personal
>interest, and partly as PR within Austin and central Texas [or as far as
>the news will reach] for our club and for space exploration and amateur radio
>as a whole.

>Thanx and 73's,

>Robert Camama
>KB2CLL

Bob - most often it's the ARRL's Educational Activities
Department which coordinates the efforts of clubs and individuals
wishing to QSO with SAREX missions.

If you'd like, I'd be happy to forward any formal inquiry youy
(you) have to ARRL HQ's Educational Activities Department.

73 de KY1T   ([e-mail])

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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 19:15:59 GMT
From: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!zaphod.crihan.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!zib-berlin.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!lrz-muenchen.de!news@@.
Subject: CW filters and DSP-9
To: [e-mail]

According to the discussion below and previous postings, I want to
supply some calcualtions shown in two pictures in following postings
based on a Fourier analysis of a morse signal of 10 times 'e':
00000101010101010101010100000

For that, I assumed a period of 120 ms for one dot, which needs two time
units of 60 ms: '10'
(50 time units per word, e.g.'paris', 20 wpm -> 60 ms per unit)

The first picture will show the frequency spectrum for that morse pattern.
('morse1.jpg', uuencoded, size: 72833 kB)

The second diagram will show the morse signals after passing filters
with different cut-off frequencies: 25 Hz, 50 Hz, 125 Hz, 250 Hz;
These frequencies apply to one sideband, so the filter bandwidth for
the whole signal is twice the frequency according to two sidebands,
respectively. For the filter, a flat passband and perfect
cutting off is assumed. The calculation is just the Fourier sum of the
peak frequencies obtained from the spectrum in picture 1.
Here you can see one possible reason for the ringing of narrow filters
which cut off the higher frequency components of a signal.
The lower the cut-off frequency, the wavier is the signal.
Modulated with 700 Hz, you'll get your ring ;^)
('morse2.jpg', uuencoded, size: 61701 kB)

Further you can see, how the rise times are affected by the
filter bandwidths. The cut-off frequency determines the
shortest possible rise time for the signal. So, the narrower
your filter is, the mushier are the dits.

Matthias

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Mike Willis) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Alan Bloom)
writes:
> |> Ignacy Misztal ([e-mail]) wrote:
> |> : [e-mail] (William E Van Horne) writes:
> |>
> |> : >Kein{nen Paul wrote:
> |>
> |> : >Can someone with a great deal more technical knowledge than I have
> |> : >state just what is the minimum usable bandwidth for a 10-20 WPM CW
> |> : >signal, and how much audible ringing is truly inescapable?
> |>
...
> |> The highest pulse repetition frequency is when you are sending a
> |> string of dits (for example, the letter H or the number 5.)
> |> My previous example of 48 wpm results in 20 dots per second.
> |> A Morse code signal can be considered to be an AM (ampltidude
> |> modulated) signal that is 100% modulated with a square wave, in
> |> this case a 20 Hz square wave.  Since an AM signal has two sidebands,
> |> the bandwidth must be at least 40 Hz.
>
> I suppose that is one way of looking at it. Another is to assume morse is
simply
> made up of dots, followed either by a space or another dot, giving all the
> combinations necessary. The highest frequency signal is the error, 8 dots. At
a
> speed of 12 wpm (UK test value) we have 5 dots per second, requiring a
minimum
> bandwidth of 10 Hz for an am carrier (5 Hz for PSK) when using a brick wall
filter
> and loads of ringing, or about double the bandwidth with a nice ring free
response.
>

--
Matthias Rosenberger, Walter Schottky Institut, TU Muenchen
 email: [e-mail]





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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 18:07:56 GMT
From: usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!world![e-mail]
Subject: FCC form 610-V
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Drumheller) writes:
>In article <2i9483$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Greg
>Chartrand) writes:
>> In the FCC announcement regarding vanity callsigns, they stated that
>> every application for a specific callsign would have to be made on a
>> form 610-V.
>>
>> [the rest deleted]
>
>   So what's all this stuff about vanity callsigns?  Is it now, or will it
>be possible in the future to choose your own callsign, assuming, of
>course, that someone else doesn't already have it?  (I wouldn't mind

Read the February QST!!! Lots of coverage on the subject.

>getting W4DMD.)  I've been marginally active for the past four years, so
>I'm not familiar on the latest changes to the rules and regulations.
>
>   BTW, in the latest issue of QST I noticed that most of the two by three
>amateur callsigns (technician/general) have be issued.  I assume that the
>FCC is now issuing novice callsigns to new tech/tech+/general licensees.
>Is this true?  In light of this, is there any serious talk about reissuing
>callsigns from expired licenses?
>
>-Dave
>--
>David M. Drumheller, KA3QBQ       phone: [phone]
>Acoustics Division, Code 7140       fax: [phone]
>Naval Research Laboratory
>Washington, DC 20375-5350   e-mail: [e-mail]


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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 18:35:20 GMT
From: netcomsv!netcom.com![e-mail]
Subject: FTP site for Keps
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary R. Smith AA9JS) writes:
>Hi--
>
>   I know there is an ftp site out there for getting the keplarian elements.  I
> use to remember what it was, but I have long since forgotten it.  I would appr
>eciate any help.....Thanx & 73's....Gary AA9JS
>
>internet: [e-mail]
>bitnet:   [e-mail]
>packet:   aa9js@kd9sg.#sil.il.usa
>


I store ALL bulletins on World: ftp world.std.com
    cd pub/hamradio/BARC/w1aw-list/Keplarian-Data

Note the case of the subdirectories             ^^^^           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


73,
Scott, WY1Z


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Date: 27 Jan 1994 22:19:35 GMT
From: agate!farallon.farallon.com!asuvax!ennews!mcdphx!schbbs!mothost!ftpbox!news.acns.nwu.edu!aragorn16.acns.nwu.edu![e-mail]
Subject: LAMARSfest is March 27th!!!!
To: [e-mail]

LAMARSFEST 1994 INFORMATION


State of Event: Illinois

City or Town:
 Lake County, IL Fairgrounds, Grayslake, IL

Date of Event:
 March 27, 1994

Name of Event:
 LAMARSFEST 1994

Sponsor:
 Libertyville & Mundelein Amateur Radio Society &
 North Shore Radio Club

Directions to Event:
 North & Southbound I-94 exit IL-120, West to US-45, continue West 1/3 mile
to Fairgrounds entrance on right. Alternative entrance off US-45 2 blocks N
of 120 on left.

Admission Fee:
 $4.00 by mail with SASE by March 18; $5.00 at door. Swapfest tables
$10.00. Wall tables $15.00 Commercial tables $25.00 by advance reservation
only. No additional charge for power.

Time of Event:
 Doors open at 8:00 AM, close at 2:00 PM
 Setup at 6:00 AM. Advance commercial setup by reservation.

Talk-in:
 147.945/.345 (North Shore Radio Club Repeater); 146.52 Simplex

Special Features:
 Large indoor radio, computer & electronic swapfest; Commercial exhibitors;
Rest area; park free; public cafeteria.
 VE testing 9:00 - Noon

Info & Reservations:
 Frank Avellone, W9GLO
 LAMARSFEST
 93 P.O. Box 437
 Lake Bluff, IL 60044
 Tel: [phone] until 10:00 PM

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HAMFEST LISTING AS FOLLOWS

GRAYSLAKE, (LAKE COUNTY) ILLINOIS
March 27, 1994
LAMARSFEST

The Libertyville & Mundelein Amateur Radio Society (LAMARS), assisted by
the North Shore Radio Club, will hold its annual LAMARSFEST 94 at the Lake
County Fairgrounds, Routes IL-120 & US-45. Large all indoor electronic,
radio & computer swapfest, commercial exhibitors. Rest area, free parking,
public cafeteria. VE testing 9:00 - Noon. General admission is $4 in
advance with SASE, $5 at door. Swapfest tables $10; Wall tables $15;
Commercial tables $25 by reservation only. Talk-in on 147.345+ NORTH SHORE
RADIO CLUB repeater; 146.52 simplex. Doors open at 8:00 AM, setup from 6:00
AM.  For information write LAMARSFEST 93, PO Box 437, Lake Bluff, IL 60044,
or call Frank Avellone, W9GLO at 708-234-4124 before 10:00 PM.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 94 13:33:34 EST
From: agate!news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!wang!tosspot![e-mail]
Subject: Name of Ham store in VA wanted!
To: [e-mail]

Can anyone hel pme with the name, address and phone number of
a ham store in Virginia?

The name is something like "Skyline Ham Supplies" - he carries a
lot of seconed hand Collins and Dovetron stuff.

  (Whoops, need a better poof reading program....)

                                    Thanks,
                                                  Lee.

(If Jesus is coming, think he'll QSL? Wonder who his QSL manager'll
be..?)

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Date: 31 Jan 1994 02:35:49 GMT
From: news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net![e-mail]
Subject: Name of Ham store in VA wanted!
To: [e-mail]

Lee Reynolds ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Can anyone hel pme with the name, address and phone number of
: a ham store in Virginia?

: The name is something like "Skyline Ham Supplies" - he carries a
: lot of seconed hand Collins and Dovetron stuff.

:   (Whoops, need a better poof reading program....)

:                                     Thanks,
:                                                   Lee.

: (If Jesus is coming, think he'll QSL? Wonder who his QSL manager'll
: be..?)

I believe you are thinking of a store that used to be in Leesburg, VA.
They closed about a year ago. Sold most of their stuff to G and G
Electronics in Gathersburg, MD. (phone [phone]). I heard the owner
of the Leesburg store may still be doing some business from his home.
You might call G&G for more info, or G&G might have what you need, the
store looks like one fine junkbox.

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Date: 31 Jan 1994 02:09:23 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!usc!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Online Repeater Database Helper Program
To: [e-mail]

   I have written a program to make it easier to enter data into
   the Online Repeater Database devised and managed by Conway Yee
   ( [e-mail]).  He is looking for volunteers to enter
   the information available publicly from several sources.

   If you are right now, or were seriously contemplating doing
   some of this work, and are interested, you may email me about
   the program.  I would like to have a few people try it out.  If
   it seems appropriate, it might be possible to have it available
   by ftp somewhere. For the moment, copies will be distributed
   by uuencode.

   What follows is an excerpt from Conway's last message about the
   status of the project. (SInce this message, I've done MA and OR
   with 1991 data.) :

   ----------------------------------------------------------------
   This version 0.02 (last updated 19940120) of an online repeater
   directory which currently contains over 1800 entries.  All previous
   versions are obsolete.

   There are entries for AK, CT, DC, DE, HI, ID, KY, ME, MT, NC, ND,
   NH, NJ, NV, NY, PA, RI, SD, UT, VT, WV, WY.  Since the last time
   this data base was posted, I have added one state and two
   volunteers have added four more.

   Thus far, people have volunteered for
       1) AZ
       2) KY, MS, SC, TN, VI, WV, GA (two states already done
          but the current data will be replaced with up to date
          information).
   If everybody follows through with their intentions, we will
   soon have over half the United States accounted for.

   This file with all the data is be available for anonymous ftp as
   mipg.upenn.edu:/pub/yee/rptr002.Z
   ----------------------------------------------------------------

                                        Hank Riley, N1LTV
                                        [e-mail]

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Date: 1 Feb 1994 05:39:10 GMT
From: news.service.uci.edu!mothra.nts.uci.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Quake Alert via Amateur Radio
To: [e-mail]

I thought people in these newsgroups would find this info to be of
interest.

In a post from another newsgroup someone said:

"A recent posting made mention of a "Quake Awake" device which warns of
P-waves which preceed S-waves in a quake.  Can anyone give me more
information on this device?"

And someone else said:

"I bought two "Quake Awakes" after Loma Prieta.  Not because I thought
they would be particularly useful as a warning device, but because I
found the concept interesting.  Subsequent postings to the net
ndicated that they were not particularly reliable, but since we ave
had *no* noticeable quakes in the last four years, I have no mpirical
evidence :-(."

And finally I said:

"Better yet, if you are a amateur radio operator or have a scanner,
you may be interested in a SEISMIC DETECTOR on frequency 445.400 MHz.

Someone has a seismometer interfaced to a radio transmitter.  Perhaps
it is the USGS.  I just don't know.  Anyway, this unit probably picks
up P waves (and maybe S waves) from a seismometer somewhere in the
mountains in the Los Angeles basin.  The transmitter sends out a tone
on some secret frequency.  Maybe it is not so secret, but, I don't
remember it.

Anyway, the ALERT group knows the frequency regenerates the signal and
pipes it via landline to one of its repeaters on Easter Hill (My note:
located in the hills of Orange, CA).  We get a 8-14 second warning
before aftershocks generated from the Northridge sequence.  Events
from Landers take about 10-15 seconds and those from Big Bear take
about 7-10 seconds.  The detector picks up events from afar if they
are strong enough.  It even picked up events in Oregon last year.

Here is info from one of the bulletins sent to ALERT members.


               SEISMIC DETECTOR WORKING WELL

The new seismic detector on the 445.400 MHz repeater continues to work
great.  A 186.2 Hz CTCSS tone will be heard over the repeater during
earthquake events.  To use this new feature set your radio frequency
to 445.400 MHz and your PL to 186.2 Hz decode (stored this into an
extra memory slot for easy access).  Whenever an event occurs your
radio will pass the earthquake warning tones but normal conversation
on the repeater will be muted.  This great new feature allows your
radio to stay on all night in a mute mode.  Please remember when you
hear the earthquake tones coming through the 445.500 MHz Easter Hill
repeater we ask all members to stop QSO's and stand by until the
warning tones stop coming through the link.  This allows all members
to get a bearing on where the earthquake activity might be.  This
seismic tone will continue to be TESTED at 9:00 PM every Monday and
once again at the conclusion of the Net around 9:25 PM.  Thanks Gary -
WA6SUL for maintaining this important ALERT system feature.

Note: ALERT means Amateur Licensed Emergency Response Team (I think)."

~jack_
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 18:31:36 GMT
From: netcomsv!netcom.com![e-mail]
Subject: SuperMorse 4.xx
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stephen Mosier) writes:
>Will Turner said that wuarchive.wustl.edu has Supermorse 4.04 in /mirrors/
>msdos/hamradio.  But the wuarchives were wiped out last week and that
>directory path no longer exists.  Does anyone know of any other source for
>Supermorse 4.xx?
>
>steve
>[e-mail]


Anonymously FTP into World: ftp world.std.com
       pub/hamradio/pc/theory-and-morse/sm404.zip


73,
Scott, WY1Z


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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 00:24:13 GMT
From: voa3![e-mail]
Subject: Voice of America News Now Available on Internet
To: [e-mail]

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newswire is now available via anonymous FTP and the Internet Gopher,
along with a variety of other information from VOA and Worldnet
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Internet server is updated within a few minutes of the issuance of each
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Date: 29 Jan 1994 12:57:15 -0800
From: library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!paris.ics.uci.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Your experiences on 40 meter CW QRP
To: [e-mail]

In <2ie8ki$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Andrew M. Cohn) writes:

>If you work 40 meter CW, with 5 watts or less, and use less than ideal
>antennas (no beams, dipoles or rhombics, etc), I would like to hear about
>your experiences. No...I'm not writing a book; I just want to know what
>I can expect before investing in a QRP station!

Hello Andy:

I am not sure what you mean by "less than ideal antenna" if you exclude
dipole.  The dipole is the basic antenna for me, and I use QRP, mainly
SSB, sometimes CW, and almost always on 40 meters.  Do you intend to
use a quarter wave vertical?  A mobile whip?

It is really hard to predict what sort of experience you will have with
QRP from your QTH.  Really hard.  I have had a lot of luck, even with
a mobile whip on the car using QRP.  You muse realistic, but also
know that things can happen with QRP that others just won't beleve.
I have worked a LOT of DX on 40 SSB with 5 watts and a dipole.  A LOT.
But this is by patient working and late late nights and stalking guys
and things like that.  Other times it has actually been easy.  There are
even a few hams locally who run 100 watts with other dipoles and verticals
and on occasion, I get as good a signal report as they do, even when I
ask for a real one.

40 CW is really interesting.  The antenna is the key, not really the power.
5 watts is plenty for most contacts under a lot of circumstances.  My only
advice to you is to very carefully consider the sort of antenna you will
use.  A good dipole, even shortened, up 20 feet or more should be fin.
A 50 foot long wire made of invisibly thin wire thrown into a tree or over
a roof will work fine also.  Good luck.

Clark
WA3JPG

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